Tie speciâlisti reizçm takð uzskata, ka nekas jauns pasaulç nenotiek un Latvijâ tâ pilnîgi noteikti ir problçma. Cik es saprotu, tad konkrçtajâ piemçrâ PCR notiek daudz âtrâk un viss un tam ir visâdi pozitîvi efekti.

Lîdzîgus, iespçjams citas firmas testus, pârtikas uzòçmumi jau pazîst un daþi pat lieto.

Tas par tiem PCR testiem. Bet par to, ka speciâlists ir pilns ar savas nozîmîbas apziòu jau atkal cits stâsts.

1.uzrâdîtâ kontaktpersona sen vairs nestrâdâ- tâtad informatîvais materiâls jau vecs
2.iespaids, ka tehn. centrs ir mazliet birokrâtisks, jo izpilda tikai starpnieka funkcijas un neko konkrçti nezin
3.apliecinâjumam, ka esmu "speciâlists ir pilns ar savas nozîmîbas apziòu" pieteicos par klientu ðai iestâdei:)

Raimonds1 - lûdzu palasi kas ir PCR, un tad rij karstu, ok?
(îpaði par to kâ mainâs annealing t atkarîbâ no fragmentu garuma, kâ tiek konstruçti praimeri, kâpçc daþas PCR maðînas ir labâkas par citâm, cik maksâ atseviðíi reakcijas komponenti, cik maksâ gatavi miksi (jeb tevis minçtie specifiskie kiti), kâ uzlabot specifiskumu un tâ tâlâk) un tad runâ.
Jo ðobrîd sanâk ka tev uz emailu ienâca kautkâda info par kautkâdu kitu, kuru tu pasniedz kâ kautko nejçgâ krutu. Tev ienâk prâtâ ka tas ir kautkas specifisks un interesçs tikai konkrçtus cilvçkus?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 30.11.2006 15:41 by Noela.

Noela, es te neko nepasniedzu kâ kaut ko nejçgâ krutu, es te redzu attieksmi - pret to, ka kaut kâds nespeciâlists uzdroðinâs kaut kâdam speciâlistam kaut ko pateikt. Ðie mehânismi, kas neattiecas ne uz PCR ne uz temperatûru, bet gan uz sabiedriskajâm attiecîbâm un sabiedrîbâ iedibinâtajiem reaìçðaanas veidiem uz informâciju, kuras nesçjam obligâti laikam jâbût ar Lradio un TV mçbeles statusu. Ðîs attieksmes blaskusefekti ir 25 minûtes grieztâs dzelzs durvis, 1995.gada izglîtîbas reforma, eksakto speciâlistu trûkums valstî un vçl daudz kas. Kaut kur ir bijis tâds speciâlists, kas ir atvçrts jaunâm vçsmâm un laipni uzòem jaunu informâciju.
Ogai daïçji piekrîtu.

Raimonds1 - patogçnu noteikðanâ es neesmu speciâlists, tâpçc tu jau atkal iebrauci ne tajâ lauciòâ un par to man akal nâk smiekli kâ tev nesnâca. Tâ kâ pirms analizçt attieksmes blakusefektus sâc ar sevis analîzi. apdomâ labi - moð tomçr tev vajadzçtu pie kâda speciâlista aizdoties?

Interesanti, kâlabad lai kâds, piemçram es, gribçtu kâdam kaut ko mâcît vai ieteikt, ja pat pçc pilnîgi neitrâlas norâdes uz neta saitu par jaunu PCR reakcijas paâtrinâðanas metodi jau notiek piekasîðanâs pie vârdiem nevis parasta diskusija par metodes pielietojumu .
Te jau apmçram ir atbilde, kâlabad neviens îpaði neuzbâþas ar padomiem, lai gan skaidri zina, kâ bûtu labâk. Un rezultâts ir cunami upuri 1-2-3-4 stundu attâlumâ no epicentra, 21. gadsimtâ 20 minûtes grieztas durvis dzîvoklim, kurâ ir ugunsgrçks, tikai 2 elektronikas pulciòi 5 Rîgai tuvos rajonos pie uzstâdîjuma - zinâðanu ekonomika utt utjpr. Viss ir ïôti vienkârði - nevienam jau nepatîk... tas, kas notiek, ja kâdu pamâci.

...atlak pavaicâðu Tev - ko pats dari lietas labâ???..sâc darît..

UN kâ pats domâ, ko es te daru?

...savas domas jau pateicu..ir darîtâji un ir dirsçji..Tu sevi piepulcini pie darîtâjiem????

Protams. Es te rosinu domât. Un tas nav viegli nemaz :) Jo ir ïoti grûti saprast, ka nedomâðana ir tik plaði izplatîta. Un argumentu vçrtîba vispâr netiek vçrtçta, patîk - nepatîk un viss.

Raimond1
ðodien Delfos ir raksts par katastrofâlo slimnîcu elektroapgâdi

"Ministrijas darba grupa secinâjusi, ka jâuzaicina sertificçts speciâlists, kurð spçtu kompetenti izvçrtçt situâciju un izstrâdât vienotu rîcîbas programmu, lai slimnîcas centralizçti varçtu apgâdât ar moderniem strâvas ìeneratoriem."

Vai Tev nav radies îstais laiks, vieta un auditorija?
Vai esi iesniedzis kâdu labu priekðlikumu ðai darba grupai, varbût jau darbojies tur?

http://www.delfi.lv/news/national/novadi/article.php?id=
16244952&com=1
aizsûtîju tekstu, lai skatâs paði http://www.google.lv

Un tik vien...
Ðaubos, vai eksperti un darba grupa to izlasîs :(

...visi nav tik erudîti kâ Raimondiòð...

Vareetu padomaat, ka eruudiito mums tik daudz, kan nav kur likt ?

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...Raimond, kas no Tevis iepostotâ ir konkrçti lietojams...
...nopietni...bez piedûriena...

onç... vinð atkal ir ðeit....
Raimonds1 - un no kurienes ðitais ir izkopçts??

Madcynics - par genomiku - ir reâli lietojams, jo Raimondiòð acîmredzot to ir izkopçjis vai nu no kâdiem konferenèu abstraktiem, vai arî no kautkâdiem grantu pieteikumiem, vai arî no weblapâm tipa "new scientist".
tikai jautâjums cik no tâ visa Raimondinð pats saprot.

...precizçju - cik ðie te ir spçjîgi, protams, attiecîgi bîdot, nest peïòu...
...par kondicionçðanu klâra bilde...par citiem ne..tur esmu lajs...
...plika izkopçðana ir sûda vçrta...:)

tas tikai nozîmç, ka daþs labs nepasûta jaunâkos pieejamos tehno, un viss.

Jâ, ne tikai eksaktâs izglîtîbas problçmas Latvijai traucç, vçl ir speciâlistu attieksme arî.

...atkal dþeks smalki nobrauca no tçmas...

ja speciâlists nepasûta jaunâko piejamo tehno aprakstus, tad tas ir pat ïoti par tçmu.

...vari atbildçt uz jautajumu, kuru uzdevu???...
..laikam nç...

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Varbût ðis tests bûs interesants onkoloìei Noelai, bet par Listçriju testu es ieinteresçjos un Tehn.centram teicu- O! Man interesç, man vajag, kur es nâkamnedçï tos varu saòemt?
Un ðie sâka minstinâties- mçs jau neko, mçs jau tikai info...
Vismaz praktiíus novitâtes interesç jau reâlas pielietoðanas lîmenî.

Raimonds1 - kâda jçga tev pasûtît, ja neko nesaproti un tajâ sfçrâ nestrâdâ? Tu tak nezini pat priekð kam tas PCR vispâr domâts :)
oga - hmm, es kâdu laiku jau sevi pie onkologiem vairs nepieskaitu :)

Nu, ja 3 dienas ar priekðâteikðanu nevar atpazît sarkanâs un zilâs gaismas lâzeru ierakstu perspektîvas, tad es saprotu, ka es jau nu ne par ko nepârliecinâðu.
Kas tur ko nesaprast, skaidrs, kam izmanto ðâjâ gadîjumâ cilvçka papillomas vîrusa veida atðíirðanai, vai tas ir vai nav potenciâli bîstams dzemdes kakla vçzim. Interesanti ir tas, ka uz pilnîgi neitrâlu norâdi un iespçjami derîgu info ir tâda reakcija :)

Raimonds1 - tu tâs reakcijas butîbu neizproti, tâpçc man neiestâstisi, ka ðo te iekopçji labu gribçdams. Tev gribçjâs atkal izcelties, bet atkal nesanâca.